NZ 300ZX Owners Club Forum

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Thought I'd share this interesting test between both cars done in Aug '93:
Part1: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Pro-Driver-Test-300ZX-vs_68108.htm
Part2: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Pro-Driver-Test-300ZX-vs_68112.htm
Part3: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Pro-Driver-Test-300ZX-vs_79443.htm
Part4: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Pro-Driver-Test-300ZX-vs_79447.htm

Even tho I'd always choose a Z over a Supra, this comparism seems so heavily biased to me that it was actually ugly to watch. The test driver, John Morton, of the "independent testing agency" (called Pro Formance) was a race driver for a Nissan Team from 88-94.
But it's more about what's shown and said:

Acceleration: Both vehicles (0-60mph) could be driven into the 5s EASILY and it's just nonsense for the Supra to take as long as 6.83s. They didn't state "seconds" so it could have taken them 6.83 bananas to finish this test. The quarter mile time is BS as well...
Handling: In part 3 at 0:51 (bananas) the guy talks about the supra understeers more because of having too much weight in the front. Well the Supra has got a lil bit better weight distribution than the Z and weighs about the same.
Engine: In the 4th part at 0:47 he talks about Supra's I6 asking why they put that into a high performance car. As you might know the 2JZ engine is a very good performance engine with overengineered stock internals, often compared to the Skyline's RBs.
"All the performance engines in the world are w...are virtually all a V configuration" Well if you ask me, the Skyline GTR is a performance car with a performance engine... but who asks me anyway?

All tests were reviewed by the sports car club of america - they should have reviewed the driver. And how can you bring in your personal view of engine layouts in an independent test like this?

Here's a link to a comparism from motor trend in July'93:
http://300zx-twinturbo.com/Articles/mt1.htm

Don't get me wrong; at the end of the day the Z to me is still the superior car and with it's rubbish stock tyres -compared to the Supra- it might had even won that test above. Give any big manufacturer 3-4 years to match the performance of of another car and they will (copy_paste:) and with the Supra's stock boost running on 11.6 PSI it's no wonder... Ugly frog!

BUT what I don't understand is how Nissan could do such a crappy BS biased comparism between the 2, creating a fake (in my opinion) testing company which consists of Nissan people.
The only true thing that guy said was about the package. The Z's the best one!
Anyway thought this might be worth a good discussion...

[ZILVER]

I have magazine reviews of such comparisons, and I find that the internet is full of conflicting/bias and inaccurate testing/results when compared.

Stock for stock, the 16" factory edition wheels and tyres seemed to be detremental to the Zed. (All reviewers I read from made mention of this)
Also was interesting to note that the late Supra is bigger and heavier than any 300zx.
Most of the reviewers gave the 300zx a nod after the final shootout.
Styling and comfort/ergonomics trumping the Supra, while actual performance was almost pah.

I was initially drawn to the mid 90s Supra before the Zed, purely due to their reputation/cult status. I test drove one and found I couldnt live with the ergonomic layout -its weird, and uncomfortable!
But they still make a perfect rival for the Z32!

[zara]

Regardless of the outcome of the test, the whole programme was filmed biased. The lack of praise of the supra, and the lack of criticism for the Z, coupled with the extremely biased camera angles and focus, makes the whole show quite a nonsense. I certainly hoped Nissan wasn't behind this as a form of advertisement.

[Lurker]

A 2 + 2 has almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution, they ain't front heavy

[Heretic]

I may be biased, but it did seem to make a bit of sence

Mk4 owners have major problems getting the turbos to work properly (even changing the exhaust system can affect the turbo in a bad way!)- they find changing the turbo to a bigger standard type turbo alot more effective

The Z32 also had 4 years of evolution, so its possible they had changed quite a few things and have alot of USA spec parts that we don't get in the early japanese models (ie, adjustable suspension was mentioned)
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[Mungyz]

I never got as far as driving one, I sat in it & freaked out the jumped out as fast as I could. There was just to much stuff way to close to feel comfortable I honestly felt a little trapped.

I remember a couple of years later we were in my first Z32 & pulled up at a set of lights, a Supra came up along side us - it looked like a fricken bus! the thing was sooo much taller than us it was just crazy.
They are a big car on the outside but extremely tight on the inside - not the way I like a sports car.
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[Kratos]

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Ey? Sorry Kratos I don't get it. Mine England's nothing too understandsable not

To everyone else: You guys are just so off topic. Who gives a Forkk if the freakin Supra is taller or if shit comes out of the exhaust...
The only reasonable comments so far were from Heretic and zara. (Zilver in the beginning )

Again: I was just disappointed that the car that I love in my opinion was used for dirty biased commercials, there was no need for that at all. Talking rubbish about inline6s was the worst tho. What was so independent about the whole thing anyway...
Got it now? Or do you want me to write in bold again?

[zara]

lol Andy dishing out the firepower.
What he meant was that how good/bad a supra compared to the Z isn't that important. It's just depressing to see a review filmed in such a biased way, even though it's for the Z which we love. The lack of mentioning about the Z's draw backs and the total disregard of why the Supra is still a legend to this day is not acceptable. It will be very very sad to know if Nissan was behind the so called "independent testing" as another form of advertisement.

[cn_md]

Examples of possible replies allowed from now on:

a) You are right this was a bit over the top.
b) Andy you are a piece of BS yourself, nothing was biatched in this test, fork yourself!
c) no comment (boring)

[zara]

[Mungyz]

so comments like " the supra is a POS so it doesn't mater a flying toss if the video is biased" aren't allowed??? that is what the bulk of the replies actually said in context.

The whole thing is an advert made by Nissan - can you not see that at the end? do you really expect it to not be slightly biased?
It's made by Nissan FFS & they haven't tried to hide that they put there fricken name on at the end of it!!

I guess this comment should be logged under section A of the reply rules for this thread - but then that is a no brainer and most of us probably just concluded that then went on with conversation of Supra vs Zed.

I'm sorry for the lack of thought on behalf of the other posters & myself ...

NOTE: to myself & others intellectual discussions not directly & immediately related to subject mater of original post may result in the age old cry of "this is off topic!!!" - this will then in turn bring about the reply of "your post is off topic" - the chain reaction of these events will lead to interplanetary war with the "smart thinkers" class of planets - this will result in the complete destruction of our planet & all who reside on it.

ALSO OF NOT: the Supra sucks!

Thank you for your time on this OPEN PUBLIC forum where everyones comments are appreciated














Supra sucks
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