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Hot350zTrack
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: new Gull bio fuel...98octane + 10% ethanol Reply with quote

Hmm...just read a bit about the fuel...surprising its 90% 98octane...and the rest ethanol...would that bring up the total octane higher than 98???

I wonder if anyone here hav tried this new fuel yet?? I wonder if NZ new 350Zs can use this fuel and have any benefits?? what do you guys think of this fuel?? cleaner burning and gives u a cleaner engine while improving performance? (well..theoretically?) Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You wanna be a test bunny then .... Laughing

Bugger that ....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaha...lol...no...not really...prob ask nissan and see if my car is able to run on it and if there'z any advantages at all....i run on 98 octane anwz...
I wonder if I half half tank of 98 and half tank of that biofuel stuff...wouldnt that become a 5% ethanol mix??? lol... Laughing might b safer...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also there was talk on the radio yesterday about the insurance side of things. Whomever is game might pay to check to check with insurance company too.

One might summise if from brand spanking new the bio fuel had been used would probably be fine, but the mixing of the fuels, hoses etc?? Makes you wonder....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: I'll be the bunny then... Reply with quote

I have been waiting to hear a TT owner speak of it, but I will do a 50% mix with Gull & BP Ultimate next tank, and report here. I've been running Shell 95 (euuww) as it's the best I can get on my company fuel card anyway, so a good alcohol cleanout won't hurt...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know what the resulting octane rating would be if you took 98 octane and added 10% ethanol?

I'm also concerned about the possible corrosive effects on the fuel lines etc.? Does anyone have a technical understanding of the risks - as opposed to a straight guess?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its anything like Methanol, it actually eats some alloys and rubber
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad Mike wrote:
Does anyone know what the resulting octane rating would be if you took 98 octane and added 10% ethanol?

I'm also concerned about the possible corrosive effects on the fuel lines etc.? Does anyone have a technical understanding of the risks - as opposed to a straight guess?

The ethano (The stuff Indy car racer are using)l octane rate about 105, so add 10% ethanol will give you 98.7 octane.
The Brazil have use ethanol mix for years, apart from engine is more likely to rust and slightly worse milage, because higher hydrogen content, they have no problem with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZFetsh wrote:
If its anything like Methanol, it actually eats some alloys and rubber


Yup, stories from TT.net and NICO say stay away from alcohol, unless you have a new fuel delivery setup. Bugger. I kinda liked the idea of 98.7octane - I'm running Shell 95 and the performance drop from Mobil or BPs 98 is immediately apparent. Damn free fuel card!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only the Gull on new north road near city got it,one in albany as well.

http://www.gull.co.nz/html/force10/welcome.htm

But most Japanese car maker said it will void the warranty if you use it on pre 2005 cars.
Then again most car maker also said it will void the warranty if change the oil yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many pre 2005 cars still have a warranty anyway? I can't imagine too many manufactures officially supporting this fuel, coz if it goes bad it would put them in the firing line. I'll be steering clear anyway because I don't see any benefits from using this fuel. Seems like a load of propaganda/bullshit (look at us, we saving the planet global warming etc).

"How much carbon do I save if I buy Gull Force 10?

If you use 30 litres of Gull Force 10 a week you will save over 250 kilograms of carbon dioxide emissions every year"

Classic! You'd probably save more carbon dioxide emissions if you shot the neighbors cat. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

I have run the bio10 through my v6 mitsu with no probs at all. Does not seem to affect performance in any way (seat of the pants measurement of course), positive or negative.
Running BioDiesel through new toyota or nissan will stuff the fuel pumps in under 100k.

I guess it is a case of try it, try it and you may. try it and you may, I say

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Sam I am, I don't like green eggs & ham, not with a goat, not on a boat, not in my bed, not in my Zed...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im agreeing with PapaZeuss above.
Short term effects may not be noticeable - but long term - well I reackon it is definately not worth the risk.
I also believe Ethanol will damage the early style fuel injectors of our Zeds.-
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than shooting cats I can think of some animals down in Wellington that need shooting.

Why don't they just stop importing people into NZ then we wont have such an increasing fleet on the road and so less pollution.
Wouldn't that just be way to easy.

An emissions test every ten thousand KMs for all diesels to rid us of the old school smoke bombs on the road.

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no no lets try and make up some BS products that are "better for the environment" Rolling Eyes
As we all chug along at 80kph in cars designed to be efficient at 110kph because some noddy thinks he/she is doing good Rolling Eyes

Better roads = less fuel consumption

Blame the politicians for our pollution they could have avoided a lot of it from years ago without Joe public being put out at all.
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